I mean it is consistently given out to all ARC, Im just saying to remove it from those 2 regiments that shouldn't have it in the first place.
Remove Ghooks from Medics
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Well they aren't supposed to be the same in any way, but sure? Give ARC medical equipment and give medics ARC equipment whatever floats your boat but you just seem to really wanna push it as if ARC and Medics having ghooks are for the same reasons which is a bit crazy.
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Removing Ghooks from 212th and 501st medics will only hurt the specs.
I will give out a few points about the 212th, im sure 501st can also share their part here.
1. If your ragdoll ends up on high up place you would then be relying on there being a WP/GC/GM medic somewhere close ready to pick you up, instead of your own medic just ghooking up and doing his job.
2. Medics is by far the least popular spec in 212th, removing the GHook would make that even more so.
3. Ghooks don't just aid in going UP the hills, but in fast mobility as well, you know that. Frontlines can be huge and the GHooks allow medics to do their job better. It's not straying from your regiment if you see some reg get slaughtered and no one is going to revive them so you do it - its a medic doing his job.
Overall it would be a pretty big nerf, and considering these medics are already getting profficient with it - unnecessary.
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4. Removing stuff from jobs so some regiments can feel "exclusive" is childish.
5. GHook is a part of the medic equpment. Some regs don't get it because of other reasons: CG have armor, 327th already have enough equipment + RP responsibilities. Why not remove it from ARC as well?
6. Your 1st point doesn't seem sensible since all the medic specs have their own rosters. 212th and 501st medics have the Grapple listed as a part of their equipment.
Removing Ghooks from 212th and 501st medics will only hurt the specs.
I will give out a few points about the 212th, im sure 501st can also share their part here.
1. If your ragdoll ends up on high up place you would then be relying on there being a WP/GC/GM medic somewhere close ready to pick you up, instead of your own medic just ghooking up and doing his job.
2. Medics is by far the least popular spec in 212th, removing the GHook would make that even more so.
3. Ghooks don't just aid in going UP the hills, but in fast mobility as well, you know that. Frontlines can be huge and the GHooks allow medics to do their job better. It's not straying from your regiment if you see some reg get slaughtered and no one is going to revive them so you do it - its a medic doing his job.
Overall it would be a pretty big nerf, and considering these medics are already getting profficient with it - unnecessary.
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4. Removing stuff from jobs so some regiments can feel "exclusive" is childish.
5. GHook is a part of the medic equpment. Some regs don't get it because of other reasons: CG have armor, 327th already have enough equipment + RP responsibilities. Why not remove it from ARC as well?
6. Your 1st point doesn't seem sensible since all the medic specs have their own rosters. 212th and 501st medics have the Grapple listed as a part of their equipment.
If you wanna argue ARC shouldn't have ghooks make a suggestion, icl no point talking about it as Medics and ARC should not be compared. Only thing that is comparable is that they are in-charge of a spec and they reach the rank of Senior Commander instead of Marshal. So yeah won't be discussing about this, maybe I'm biased but it just doesn't make sense to remove actual equipment from ARC as they only get 3 pieces of equipment to suit the aesthetic of being prepared for most situations.
just seems like tom has a hate boner for medics and wants them to lose more equipment.
-support, the reasoning is just very stupid icl
-support, the reasoning is just very stupid icl
Medical equipment is as follows Hydron Medical Kit, Bacta Injector, Health Stim Shots, Defibrillators, Medigun (MO except WP) and Bacta Grenades (MO). That is it, one of the main exceptions are those regiments that receive armour, like CG with their little armour packs because THEIR regiment uses armour so they are given the tools to supply them. It simply makes no sense for equipment to be given out to those people when they shouldn't have access to it in the first place, they don't need it and its equipment they "want" to use. If Kixxie wants he can suggest for it to be actual standard equipment which I doubt would get passed but it simply makes no sense to have these exceptions when medics with ghooks exist and already get so much equipment without including the Ghook. 212th gets their little jumpack which already helps them get to places that are a bit high up, but it has its limits and 501st has their bubble shield to simply use for their own safety. If regiments aren't happy with their SGT equipment it shouldn't be filled in by an exception via a spec.
Yeah ARC get trained to use ghook and is one of their main parts of equipment. Compared to Medics big list ARC get 3 things which the ARC Dualies, Westar M5 and a Grappling Hook. Can't apply the same logic to even Alpha jobs or ARC Command jobs because they have these 3 pieces of equipment as well not like MO's with their 2 additional pieces of equipment. But guess what, they all have consistent equipment throughout all the regiments, with the exception being their addition of SGT+ equipment. So no the same logic does not apply to ARC as well when it is quite literally their MAIN piece of equipment compared to Medics.
I understand you trying to stand your ground but you just digging yourself a bigger hole, ghook is just as big of equipment in ARC as it is in Medics, They are both used the same way, To get to high ground.
Can chat about medics having more equipment but then you realise what it is they get and its just simple medic stuff to heal people? you are trying to argue that medics get standard equipment which is suited for their spec to a spec which is about killing EEs, Your Westar and dual pistols are most likely one of the strongest things on the server that's why you can only have 3 pieces of equipment
Medics use ghooks just the same as ARC uses ghooks your mindset it wrong
ima be completely honest , removing ghooks from 212th and 501st medics is just a dumb idea, the whole "but it makes GC and other Ghook regiments less special". When in the history of the server since the ghook purge a few years back happened has anyone complained about 501st or 212th medics having them? they are useful, more medics can get to places where people may need healing. its a win win for everyone. medics get to heal and do medic rp and shit like that and GC or other ghook regiments can get healed by them if their medics arent online. taking the ghook away from especially 501st is just a spit in the face to be completely honest, they already have jack shit equipment ( take it from a current 501st member lol ). 212th i could maybe see why cause they have the jump pack and can traverse places better then most but the ghook is still essential for helping people in out of reach places. lets say in an event no GC, WP or GM medics are online ( not very rare ) and some very important event character needs help/healing and cannot get down from their our of reach position. who is going to be able to help them? no one will be.
ARC uses ghooks on their spec-ops. It has a lot of use during it as without it their mobility is very limited and even most of the time a spec-ops requires them to be in a high area like for example the last Spec-Ops which was hosted by Dylan required us to go all the way around through the mountains which would be impossible without a ghook.
Medics on the other hand do not require a ghook when there's already regiments that can prioritise getting those on the hills. Even in extreme scenarios a Frontline regiment like GM can use their ghook to help out but realistically they are the most useless on the hills if they aren't there assisting people. So yeah Medics do not need the ghook they simply want it.
Also what I did say is that theoretically on GC, WP and RC would be on the hills most of the time. So I didn't say it was exclusive to GC because that would be dumb.
You're talking as if my suggestion is ridiculous but clearly some people agree some people don't, no need to get heated over this just because I won't agree with you. Also any other irrelevant responses will just be removed for obvious reasons.
Simple thing to follow, if it hasn't been a problem for the past whatever years mvg's been up for, then don't change it.
This just doesn't make sense at all as to why its all of a sudden an issue.
This just doesn't make sense at all as to why its all of a sudden an issue.
I can't speak for 501st, but the GHook is one of the few selling points for 212th medics.
People just don't join the main frontline regiments to become support, they join 212th for the boom boom and tanks.
Just as Wilder said, if it ain't broken, don't fix it.
People just don't join the main frontline regiments to become support, they join 212th for the boom boom and tanks.
Just as Wilder said, if it ain't broken, don't fix it.
I was there when the decision to give all medics grapples was made. It was made for one reason. To give everyone a chance of being revived. If there are no GC medics on but there is a 501st, then GC must run for 10 minutes to get back to their spot. So all medics were given the grapple to allow for the possibility of revival no matter your position.
This is an issue because ARC has turned a fun grapple hook into some sweaty overpowered movement tool. By stretching the grapple to its limits, making every use of it boring and mechanical, you've taken all the fun out of it. It's the same that's happened to games like Mordhau and Chivalry. Everyone has a good time for a while, then some sweaty nerds come along and only use what's mechanically best and treat it like a maths problem. Now no one has fun with it because if you aren't being a mechanical sweaty fat nerd then you don't live very long. The same has happened with the grapplehook. I saw a big change over the two years I was gone. The grapplehook has always been able to be used how it is now but it simply wasn't.
I'm ill. I might have waffled a bit but this is a bad suggestion imo. Just removes all chances for anyone with a ghook to be revived unless they have medics, which is not always the case. It's not just nerfing medics, but nerfing regiments with ghooks as well.
This is an issue because ARC has turned a fun grapple hook into some sweaty overpowered movement tool. By stretching the grapple to its limits, making every use of it boring and mechanical, you've taken all the fun out of it. It's the same that's happened to games like Mordhau and Chivalry. Everyone has a good time for a while, then some sweaty nerds come along and only use what's mechanically best and treat it like a maths problem. Now no one has fun with it because if you aren't being a mechanical sweaty fat nerd then you don't live very long. The same has happened with the grapplehook. I saw a big change over the two years I was gone. The grapplehook has always been able to be used how it is now but it simply wasn't.
I'm ill. I might have waffled a bit but this is a bad suggestion imo. Just removes all chances for anyone with a ghook to be revived unless they have medics, which is not always the case. It's not just nerfing medics, but nerfing regiments with ghooks as well.
Yeah, I do know it pretty much nerfs the medical job + the regiments that are actually on the hills but there usually is a regiment with a medic on from either WP, GC or GM. Statements regarding ghooks progression is very true with it becoming mechanically optimised as I remember learning the ghook like 4 years ago and it was an entirely different thing. In the end this suggestion as a whole seems useless and wasn't needed but its just odd, even when I talked with some of the players they also found it very odd for them to just get ghooks as medics.
For me it just doesn't fit in, I'm trying not to be biased and be a person to gatekeep the ghook but if I see something odd and I know I'm not the only one seeing this odd thing then I'll suggest it just so in the end, long term it either has a good safety net to stay around or simply found odd as well by others and simply removed.
I know it was very controversial and some people are now out to get me cause I did a suggestion that just directly nerfs people, to see how it would go. If it gets Denied I'll simply leave it in the past and won't touch on it and its simple as that.
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