Adjusting Jedi Clearance

[Tom]

Your In-Game Name: COV SGM Tom

Suggestion: Lowering Jedi Clearance to fit in due to their lack of equivalency and command.

Reason: Currently, Council Members who have no power on the base have been given Clearance Level 3 which is equivalent to the Clearance Regimental Seniors get and Generals who also have no power on base have been given Clearance Level 4 which is equivalent to the Clearance Regimental MCO's, Fleet and ABG/BG. Yoda and Mace Windu should remain as it is, with Yoda staying on Clearance Level 5 and Mace Windu staying at Clearance Level 4.

With this I suggest it should be
- Council Member = Clearance Level 2
- Generals = Clearance Level 3
- Jedi Master (Mace Windu) = Clearance Level 4
- Jedi Grandmaster (Yoda) = Clearance Level 5

I have put down what I would suggest for the clearance but if it deemed to be something else like CM and Generals being Clearance Level 2 it will be up to Fleets discretion.

Also yes the argument that Lore exists shouldn't apply here, seeing as it would be equivalency wise Jedi Generals would be above Commanders which will never happened, they have no real power except the power they hold over Jedi, even with Mace Windu could argue he holds no power but it would make sense for him to be given Clearance Level 4 as Yoda's Right hand man.

Also do want to point out, the General and Council Member job is nothing special, seeing as they have a limit of 10 Generals if not including the Jedi Master but guess who else has 10 spots in regiments, Officers. Council Members do also have a limit of 6 which is 2 per spec. If I did misunderstood something feel free to correct me, and I will adjust the post.


Staff Vote Required?: Most likely this will involve the Senior Staff Team.
Generals Needed?: No
Fleet Needed?: Yes

 

[BappoNoHacko]

finally i will be able hide from jedi generals in brig.

 

[Chaos]

Mace Windu isnt master only though. As far as I remember the master has priority over taking Mace windu but if they dont take it than any other general can play Windu. You could end up with a random general with clearance level 4.

Other than that, though, I agree that Jedi clearances are off.

 

[LoCho]

Generals dont need any more than 3 and Mace Windu job isnt just used for the master of the order. Alternatively you could give all generals CL3/CL4 cards so that if the Master is playing on that job they can swap it and they just keep it as an IC rule to not change the CL unless you are Master+

 

[Lad]

Congrats on making you're first decent suggestion. I approve.

 

[Tom]

Mace Windu isnt master only though. As far as I remember the master has priority over taking Mace windu but if they dont take it than any other general can play Windu. You could end up with a random general with clearance level 4.

Other than that, though, I agree that Jedi clearances are off.

Mace WIndu is the only job labelled as a Jedi Master, I understand Ikora is an exception but in most cases people will use Mace Windu as the lore character as the Jedi Master. If anything Jedi could make the suggestion to adjust the jobs to make Aayla Secura the Jedi Master for the time being, but by default it is Mace Windu.

 

[TheMexicanJew]

"Generals who also have no power on base have been given Clearance Level 4 which is equivalent to the Clearance Regimental MCO's, Fleet and ABG/BG"

Yes because in lore, Jedi Generals are literally Generals, Jedi were peacekeepers of the galaxy long before the clones. Some Jedi were given the equivalent rank of Mr Roger, a General of the Republic army.

It makes lore sense to be able to visit the upper decks of high command as a General because that's exactly what they're seen doing in the Clone Wars show, and there's often RP to be done, conversations to be had etc.
Council member I agree though, I don't think they particularly need access to anywhere other than their specific role areas.


Just my opinion ofc^^

 

[Tom]

"Generals who also have no power on base have been given Clearance Level 4 which is equivalent to the Clearance Regimental MCO's, Fleet and ABG/BG"

Yes because in lore, Jedi Generals are literally Generals, Jedi were peacekeepers of the galaxy long before the clones. Some Jedi were given the equivalent rank of Mr Roger, a General of the Republic army.

It makes lore sense to be able to visit the upper decks of high command as a General because that's exactly what they're seen doing in the Clone Wars show, and there's often RP to be done, conversations to be had etc.
Council member I agree though, I don't think they particularly need access to anywhere other than their specific role areas.


Just my opinion ofc^^

No Jedi are equivalent to Mr Roger which I assume you are referring to our current BG unless this is some clone wars reference. As mentioned in lore yes it would make sense but in lore they also had power which was greater those of commanders, meaning no power = lower clearance levels. Have already mentioned the lore aspect into it, if Jedi Generals need to have conversation in the high clearance areas they can request it or simply ask people to come to the temple which is the place they actually hold the power.

 

[Smooley]

Don’t really see the problem with the current cards. Existed since 2016, makes sense with lore, makes sense to it’s some Jedi Generals (like shaak-ti and aayla needing brig and aic access). Jedi generals often rp with fleet and can take OD so being in CC can be useful. I RP a lot with roger in these clearance areas and will feel slightly gutted if they were removed with no actual valid reason?

 

[Gauntlet]

Would've been nice if you actually chatted with us first but sure, fine.

 

[Tom]

Don’t really see the problem with the current cards. Existed since 2016, makes sense with lore, makes sense to it’s some Jedi Generals (like shaak-ti and aayla needing brig and aic access). Jedi generals often rp with fleet and can take OD so being in CC can be useful. I RP a lot with roger in these clearance areas and will feel slightly gutted if they were removed with no actual valid reason?

CG and 327th dont need clearance level 4 to have access to area. It can given additionally to them as they are apart of CG and 327th.

 

[Lucielxf]

I would appreciate before you post this suggestion. You talked with me or Loz first, it seem weird for people to make suggestions for other regiment that they are not a part in.
This seem very unprofessional action for higher staff like you to do.

 

[Tom]

I would appreciate before you post this suggestion. You talked with me or Loz first, it seem weird for people to make suggestions for other regiment that they are not a part in.

I have contacted Fleet about it, seeing as yes it does concern you but in the end it their base. I can't imagine me talking to Jedi about it would result in anything but just telling me you would rather not having this done.

 

[Lucielxf]

I have contacted Fleet about it, seeing as yes it does concern you but in the end it their base. I can't imagine me talking to Jedi about it would result in anything but just telling me you would rather not having this done.

It would still be a good gesture of manner of letting us know about your plan to change Jedi clearance. If it involves Jedi, let us know so we can discuss it properly, doesn’t mean we don’t agreed with it. You wouldn’t do a suggestion that affect another regiment before you talk with the commander / Seniors.

 

[Gauntlet]

I have contacted Fleet about it, seeing as yes it does concern you but in the end it their base. I can't imagine me talking to Jedi about it would result in anything but just telling me you would rather not having this done.

Still quite a nice thing to do no? You would for any other regiment.

 

[ShadowRyser]

It would still be a good gesture of manner of letting us know about your plan to change Jedi clearance. If it involves Jedi, let us know so we can discuss it properly, doesn’t mean we don’t agreed with it. You wouldn’t do a suggestion that affect another regiment before you talk with the commander / Seniors.

He has an does make suggestions before speaking to anyone

 

[Tom]

He has an does make suggestions before speaking to anyone

Don't usually do that, but regardless its a suggestion if anything Jedi can put their opinion down on the thread and maybe talk to Fleet if anything about it when its voted on.

 

[ShadowRyser]

Don't usually do that

 

[Tom]

The whole medic thing was talked with Kixxie before the suggestion, didn't change my mind after the suggestion so still went through with it. And in the end, doesn't really need to be talked with, its all a matter of Jedi talking with the people are voting and giving them good reasons for it being there.

 

[Walt]

I don't see the point in changing it, no one recently has been abusing the clearance levels in Jedi and if they did I'm sure they will have some good punishment for it. Can I ask why you feel the need to change it other than rank equivalences? Jedi Generals have a specific job for every regiment but I see why some generals jobs don't need it but others do, so why change it to be the same for everyone?