Adjusting Jedi Clearance

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As someone who has played and been around on this server for over half a decade, it's literally always been like this with no issue what so ever. I get a lot of people now need to go outside more and have less of a hate boner for a Garry's Mod Semi-Serious RP server donate reg, but I can't force them to do that.

The simple fact is, they are jedi GENERALS. In the clone wars they were GENERALS of the Army of the Republic. In what world do you exclude them from being able to access a command center that is used for plans etc. of the higher rankings of the Grand Army of the Republic?

If someone had been abusing these clearance levels I would understand, or if there was any valid reason to make this suggestion without bringing it to myself, Ikora or any of the higher ups to have a conversation about this in any way (That you would do with any other regiment on the server out of respect (I understand you have no respect for Jedi cause "Ugh Jedi bad ugh" "ugh they get in front of my gun shots ugh" and "ugh they paid £20 and run faster than a clone" I get it)). But you have to have that respect, and simply here it was not given.

I actually agree with you on CL3 for CM's and would've expressed that had it been brought to me, but alas that wasn't done.

So overall I disagree with the majority of the suggestion as this is a formula on the server that has always worked since way before you starting playing, alongside the fact of lore wise how stupid it would be to have Jedi GENERALS not allowed into command center areas. Also the fact that 0 people have abused such perms, and if they have funnily enough you can bring it to me.

Thank you,
Respect goes a long way,
Loz (Green Goblin).

TL:DR - Nobody has abused any CL, Lore wise it'd be stupid, Generals are GENERALS, have some respect for us and put the hate boner away. Agree on CM. 🤌
 
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Currently Jedi Generals are pretty much Lieutenants, I honestly don't think it makes sense to keep stuff because it has worked for so long. In general, it just doesn't add up as the Keycard system if comparing. The argument that it would be stupid to not have Generals allowed in Command Areas but the same Argument applies to Commanding Officers, why would they not be allowed to enter Command Areas they usually do way more when it comes getting involved in the RP strategizing so in the end it should be balanced out. Even with Generals pretty much being Officers they would still be put on Commander level which wouldn't exactly way too inaccurate lore wise as they commanded regiments with Commanders along side them. And if you think it's all about hating, it really isn't. It's just weird that Jedi General+ are given the ability to roam the base freely, when people that I would argue are a bit more important and do way more aren't able to.
 
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Currently Jedi Generals are pretty much Lieutenants, I honestly don't think it makes sense to keep stuff because it has worked for so long. In general, it just doesn't add up as the Keycard system if comparing. The argument that it would be stupid to not have Generals allowed in Command Areas but the same Argument applies to Commanding Officers, why would they not be allowed to enter Command Areas they usually do way more when it comes getting involved in the RP strategizing so in the end it should be balanced out. Even with Generals pretty much being Officers they would still be put on Commander level which wouldn't exactly way too inaccurate lore wise as they commanded regiments with Commanders along side them. And if you think it's all about hating, it really isn't. It's just weird that Jedi General+ are given the ability to roam the base freely, when people that I would argue are a bit more important and do way more aren't able to.
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I thought we didn't have equivalencies? What even prompted you to suggest it except "Fuck it let's see what we can do." What harm is it we can even roam the base freely? Jedi Generals are rarely seen where they aren't really meant to anyway. Aayla is the only general ever in AIC, Shaak Ti is the only one ever in Brig and everyone else keeps to themselves or their own regiment that they're assigned to. This really is just a frivolous suggestion to change something that was never causing any issues to anyone except you. And you truly cannot try to convince us that you weren't at least motivated to post this based upon a disdain for us. Nothing weird about us roaming around areas we've been legitimately allowed to for years.
 
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Tom said:
Currently Jedi Generals are pretty much Lieutenants, I honestly don't think it makes sense to keep stuff because it has worked for so long. In general, it just doesn't add up as the Keycard system if comparing. The argument that it would be stupid to not have Generals allowed in Command Areas but the same Argument applies to Commanding Officers, why would they not be allowed to enter Command Areas they usually do way more when it comes getting involved in the RP strategizing so in the end it should be balanced out. Even with Generals pretty much being Officers they would still be put on Commander level which wouldn't exactly way too inaccurate lore wise as they commanded regiments with Commanders along side them. And if you think it's all about hating, it really isn't. It's just weird that Jedi General+ are given the ability to roam the base freely, when people that I would argue are a bit more important and do way more aren't able to.
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1. Currently Jedi Generals are pretty much Lieutenants - If you are talking server-wise, depends on the regiment. I personally am CPT equiv in 501st, same as Momon. I believe some of the other Jedi Generals are roughly the same, still not much difference there but higher than you think. However, Jedi do not hold equivalencies on the server. We are a separate entity. Also "No Jedi are equivalent to Mr Roger", wrong. Yoda is equivalent to an Admiral still so higher than anyone but Toe at the moment.

2. I honestly don't think it makes sense to keep stuff because it has worked for so long - This is a weird take, it has remained the same for so long because it has worked fine for this long.

3. The argument that it would be stupid to not have Generals allowed in Command Areas but the same Argument applies to Commanding Officers, why would they not be allowed to enter Command Areas they usually do way more when it comes getting involved in the RP strategizing so in the end it should be balanced out - This is a good point and why not suggest this? But yet again, apart from listening to OD, we are a separate entity.

4. Even with Generals pretty much being Officers they would still be put on Commander level which wouldn't exactly way too inaccurate lore wise as they commanded regiments with Commanders along side them - This is inaccurate, the Jedi High Council were literally second in command of the Republic Navy, after Palpatine and were also in command of the whole Grand Army of the Republic.

5. It's just weird that Jedi General+ are given the ability to roam the base freely, when people that I would argue are a bit more important and do way more aren't able to - Please name who is more important and who SHOULD be able to roam everywhere. As far as I'm aware, everyone who is more important already has the access to roam everywhere.

My final point would be about the hate. Whether their genuinely is or isn't ill intention in your suggestion, it definitely comes off that way. For an in-character suggestion, I would never believe that a SGM would be able to make a suggestion that attempts to change Jedi General's permissions.
 
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3. The argument that it would be stupid to not have Generals allowed in Command Areas but the same Argument applies to Commanding Officers, why would they not be allowed to enter Command Areas they usually do way more when it comes getting involved in the RP strategizing so in the end it should be balanced out - This is a good point and why not suggest this? But yet again, apart from listening to OD, we are a separate entity.
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I'm sure Fleet got their reasons to restrict access to those areas by putting them down as Clearance Level 4. It would be cool to see it being accessible, but the suggestion is about more or less putting it at some type of equality where a rank which 10/11 people can have access to these areas for really no good reason, usually do see Generals going around stepping in the areas for no reason BUT they aren't breaking any rules or abusing anything, its all within their power.

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1. Currently Jedi Generals are pretty much Lieutenants - If you are talking server-wise, depends on the regiment. I personally am CPT equiv in 501st, same as Momon. I believe some of the other Jedi Generals are roughly the same, still not much difference there but higher than you think. However, Jedi do not hold equivalencies on the server. We are a separate entity. Also "No Jedi are equivalent to Mr Roger", wrong. Yoda is equivalent to an Admiral still so higher than anyone but Toe at the moment.
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I'm not suggesting for Yoda to be changed at all same with Mace Windu. With the officer argument, in the end you are being put to be equivalent to people that are Clearance Level 2 not even 3, which kinda shows you are valued as Officers if you compare Jedi to how regiments function.
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5. It's just weird that Jedi General+ are given the ability to roam the base freely, when people that I would argue are a bit more important and do way more aren't able to - Please name who is more important and who SHOULD be able to roam everywhere. As far as I'm aware, everyone who is more important already has the access to roam everywhere.
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I believe Commanders and XO's are more important than Jedi Generals. And no they don't have access to roam any where.
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4. Even with Generals pretty much being Officers they would still be put on Commander level which wouldn't exactly way too inaccurate lore wise as they commanded regiments with Commanders along side them - This is inaccurate, the Jedi High Council were literally second in command of the Republic Navy, after Palpatine and were also in command of the whole Grand Army of the Republic.
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Lore wise the Jedi High Council is filled with Jedi Masters, obviously you guys decided to put some names on them but it just shows that no matter how you look at the ranking structure its not gonna be lore accurate. Yes, lore is used for the most of it but if we went solely off by lore then we would see the High Council Members actually have some power which is far from the truth, oh yeah also Lore Wise we wouldn't have 11 Generals and another 6 Council Members stationed on the same base at the same time but thats a whole different discussion.
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My final point would be about the hate. Whether their genuinely is or isn't ill intention in your suggestion, it definitely comes off that way. For an in-character suggestion, I would never believe that a SGM would be able to make a suggestion that attempts to change Jedi General's permissions.
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In the end, the forums act as a way of just transmitting a message. If anyone wants to suggest something, and they aren't allowed to do it via forums then they'll find a different way by simply messaging the people that will vote on it, so yeah wouldn't really work.


Maybe stop looking at this as just pure disrespect but more just looking at balancing the system that already exists, unless you're trynna be disrespectful yourself and say you are wanting to keep being on the high horse of being above others or even then if Fleet people are seeing this, maybe just scale up the Clearance Level to be in line with what Jedi got and everyone should be happy because rather than taking away from a minority you can give to the majority. (But that wouldn't make much sense)
 
I'm not trying to be disrespectful or on a high horse, I just don't understand the whole suggestion. It just seems so random and pointless, there are many more important things on the server than trying to change something that has worked with no issues for 8 years. All this will do is just remove roleplay experiences, that is literally it, no positive comes of this. If more people feel that reducing a Jedi General's clearance is required to create "balance" then that is fair enough but also still seems very, very pointless.
 
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i normally don’t comment on these posts but sigh..
as an ex frantic jedi hater this is a bit silly, don’t see a need for anything to be changed especially when jedi barely use their clearance, it’s a simple novelty thing which they don’t act on.

there’s bigger issues than jedi clearance cards like the upcoming nerf no one is really aware of because staff word is final!

tldr:
silly
 
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Roger said:
i normally don’t comment on these posts but sigh..
as an ex frantic jedi hater this is a bit silly, don’t see a need for anything to be changed especially when jedi barely use their clearance, it’s a simple novelty thing which they don’t act on it.

there’s bigger issues than jedi clearance cards like the upcoming nerf no one is really aware of because staff word is final!

tldr:
silly
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You sir, are a legend.
 
Honestly, I think everything has already been said here. There was definitely better ways to make a suggestion like this and me personally, I quite RPing with navy in certain areas etc and don't think it really harms anyone.

As said this really does come off as just a way to rile up Jedi in general as there was no other reason to make a suggestion like this, I get that it may not be the message you meant to send but it is what it appears as. In the future working with Loz and Ikora to work to make changes to Jedi about things you don't like will be much more fruitful than making a post that has a stream of comments like mine disagreeing. You may not get exactly what you want but they will do their best to find a compromise, always have.

I hope following this you'll do more to work with Jedi instead of against them.
 
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Fleet has decided to Deny this suggestion due to the fact that it is unneeded and the relevant Jedi Clearance levels do not affect anything to do with the Base/Ship​
 
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