CC Knife Suggestion

[Mute]

Your In-Game Name: CC XO Scorch
Suggestion: Give Knives back to CC and increase movement speed to 255 while holding it.
Addons Needed (workshop link): None
Reason: Knives were removed from RC a long time ago, we want to have them back with very low damage, 25 for left click, 50 for right click, but with the added bonus of increased movement speed while holding the knife in one's hand. This is to let us get around the base quicker for our main job of QRF but without being able to abuse hitboxes while shooting with increased movement speed as stated for the rejection reason for the previous suggestion. This also adds an added risk for commandos running around with knives that if they encounter an enemy while not holding their gun they will not be able to defend themselves.

 

[Offender]

now looking at this suggestion it is a straight buff overall perhaps if you nerfed your current move speed it would be more balanced and if you do that then you could buff your speed with the knifer higher

 

[Matty]

Your run an gun is more than enough for mobility giving a knife is just useless

 

[ShadowRyser]

I can't wait to get Londoned in a corner as EE by 10 RC shanking me to death

 

[Dogo]

1. this is just shadow currently
2. all RC? or just some?
3. just seems too strong overall especially the movement buff, as all RC would just constantly run with them out
4. i fear this could cause more silver rule breaks

-1

 

[Sharp]

now looking at this suggestion it is a straight buff overall perhaps if you nerfed your current move speed it would be more balanced and if you do that then you could buff your speed with the knifer higher

The current movement speed of RC was reduced, it is the same as the other normal regiments now. Its simply a way to get back the speed, while not being able to run and gun with it. Knife out, speed increase, gun out, back to same speed as other regiments.

 

[Jensen]

 

[Mute]

1. this is just shadow currently
2. all RC? or just some?
3. just seems too strong overall especially the movement buff, as all RC would just constantly run with them out
4. i fear this could cause more silver rule breaks

-1

To respond to your points:
2. All RC
3. It's to make up for the loss of our movespeed buff in a way that doesn't make us PVP gods
4. We would still adhere to the silver rule, also, 25 & 50 DMG isn't much at all, we wouldn't get involved in any melee fights cause we'd get stomped anyway.

 

[Matty]

To respond to your points:
2. All RC
3. It's to make up for the loss of our movespeed buff in a way that doesn't make us PVP gods
4. We would still adhere to the silver rule, also, 25 & 50 DMG isn't much at all, we wouldn't get involved in any melee fights cause we'd get stomped anyway.

So the only reason you wish to have it is just for movement then since you said yourself you wouldn't get involved in melee fights?
If your issue is movement speed just ask for a buff to it instead of this
icl would be best to just get the moment speed and leave the knives out for SDW to be more unique

 

[Mute]

So the only reason you wish to have it is just for movement then since you said yourself you wouldn't get involved in melee fights?
If your issue is movement speed just ask for a buff to it instead of this
icl would be best to just get the moment speed and leave the knives out for SDW to be more unique

We got denied for just the movespeed because we become PVP gods as our hit box becomes wank if we spam A & D.

 

[Dogo]

If your issue is movement speed just ask for a buff to it instead of this

and if youre concernd about the movement buff with run and gun just give the guns a movement penalty to offset this

 

[Matty]

We got denied for just the movespeed because we become PVP gods as our hit box becomes wank if we spam A & D.

So you were denied movement speed and think suggesting another weapon with movement speed on it will get accepted?

If I'm being honest, think you are in a very comfortable spot atm with being the only regiment able to run and gun with slightly better movement speed and this is just unneeded plus with the amount of equipment RC get all together just gonna start piling on one and other

 

[Mute]

So you were denied movement speed and think suggesting another weapon with movement speed on it will get accepted?

I don't think you properly understood what this meant. We had the movespeed as default, which meant it could be used with run & gun. With it being set to a knife we get a piece of equipment we already lost, as well as the movespeed we also already lost. The knife is entirely not even there to be used as a weapon, its there as a piece of mobility that can leave us defenseless if we're attacked with it out.

If I'm being honest, think you are in a very comfortable spot atm with being the only regiment able to run and gun with slightly better movement speed and this is just unneeded plus with the amount of equipment RC get all together just gonna start piling on one and other

The equipment piling up is a fair point, we do get a pretty hefty set of equipment but this is just readding one what we've already had in the past but severely nerfed from what it was while also having a reason to have it.

 

[Chaos]

CC's current movement speed is the same as all other troopers; they have nothing that makes them go quicker, which is essential for QRF units.

This would let CC get around quicker, but only while holding the low-damage knife, which is useless for combat. As Sharp said, Knife out, speed increase, gun out, back to same speed as other regiments.

You can't abuse movement speed for the A and D spam, and if you run into enemies with your knife out while not paying enough attention, you are more than likely just going to die.

 

[Revan]

CC's current movement speed is the same as all other troopers; they have nothing that makes them go quicker, which is essential for QRF units.

This would let CC get around quicker, but only while holding the low-damage knife, which is useless for combat. As Sharp said, Knife out, speed increase, gun out, back to same speed as other regiments.

You can't abuse movement speed for the A and D spam, and if you run into enemies with your knife out while not paying enough attention, you are more than likely just going to die.

why is QRF running around with a knife out in the first place makes more sense to have a gun out

 

[Matty]

CC's current movement speed is the same as all other troopers; they have nothing that makes them go quicker, which is essential for QRF units.

This would let CC get around quicker, but only while holding the low-damage knife, which is useless for combat. As Sharp said, Knife out, speed increase, gun out, back to same speed as other regiments.

You can't abuse movement speed for the A and D spam, and if you run into enemies with your knife out while not paying enough attention, you are more than likely just going to die.

I cant be 100% certain but im pretty the A D spam comes from the fact you can run and gun not because of your movement speed, So just because you getting slightly faster with the knife doesn't mean you wont be able to A D spam at all, It will still happen

My main issue is more the fact you will be getting another piece of equipment which you said yourself is gonna be only used for movement speed so why not just try work on a slight movement increase? I'm sure if you tinker about a bit with increasing your movement speed you can get it passed

 

[Chaos]

My main issue is more the fact you will be getting another piece of equipment which you said yourself is gonna be only used for movement speed so why not just try work on a slight movement increase? I'm sure if you tinker about a bit with increasing your movement speed you can get it passed

We tried getting a movement speed buff before but were told that we'd have to lose run and gun for it since using a gun with higher movement speed is what would let us A and D spam to manipulate hitboxes. At that point, there isn't really a reason for it since run and gun is what makes RC unique.

Yes, you can A and D spam with the knife out to manipulate hitboxes, but what is the point of that? It's not like you can shoot with the knife, so you wouldn't be gaining anything out of it.

why is QRF running around with a knife out in the first place makes more sense to have a gun out

QRF needs to get to hostiles fast because, you know, "Quick" response force. If you can't have just straight-up increased movement speed since it can be abused, then this was the next best option. RC currently has the same movement speed as all normal regiments, while the two other roaming regiments of Jedi and Shadow have increased movement speed. This means in many events, RC is just left running from place to place to perform QRF, but once they get to said enemies, half or even all hostiles have already been cleared.

 

[tomery]

Why not increase run speed and decrease mobility on guns so running and gunning is at default move speed?

 

[Matty]

Yes, you can A and D spam with the knife out to manipulate hitboxes, but what is the point of that? It's not like you can shoot with the knife, so you wouldn't be gaining anything out of it.

Its the run an gun thing that is allowing you to A D spam not the movement speed, Would say to either remove the ability of A D spam which idk how but I'm sure someone in dev team could figure out with their big brain or just enforce not doing it, Just sounds like your abusing a broken thing which shouldn't be on the server/shouldnt be abused

QRF needs to get to hostiles fast because, you know, "Quick" response force. If you can't have just straight-up increased movement speed since it can be abused, then this was the next best option. RC currently has the same movement speed as all normal regiments, while the two other roaming regiments of Jedi and Shadow have increased movement speed. This means in many events, RC is just left running from place to place to perform QRF, but once they get to said enemies, half or even all hostiles have already been cleared.

Also with this yes SDW has the fastest movement speed for clones we are also QRF but we are also melee-based with a decent gun compared to other QRF with strong ranged weapons and force powers

 

[Dogo]

Why not increase run speed and decrease mobility on guns so running and gunning is at default move speed?

exactly, you dont need a knife, doing this would do the same thing without adding a knife if all you want is the movespeed without buffing your run and gun